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为什么输出功率测量会有差异

嗨,我正在尝试使用网络分析仪和功率计来表征高功率设备的输出功率(峰值o / p功率46dBm)。
我正在脉冲模式下进行测量。
输出功率和插入增益在-13dBm下测量。
1.我已经完成了源功率校准和增强的响应校准,用于测量S21和S11测量。
我获得了大约68dB的增益。
输入回波损耗为-4dB(非常差)。
2.为了在DUT上进行输出功率测量,我在网络分析仪上以我需要测量输出功率的频率执行源功率校准。
3.我发现功率计上显示的功率与S21输入功率计算的o / p功率之间的差值超过了dB。
我在路径中使用的总衰减为40dB。
功率计在设备输出端看到匹配良好。
由于回波损耗差,计算和测量的功率差异。
DUT也处于压缩状态。
你能澄清一下吗?
Rgds nsm

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  Hi,

I am trying to characterize the output power of a high power device(peak o/p power 46dBm) using a network analyzer and also a power meter. I am doing the measurements in the pulsed mode.

The output power and the insertion gain is measured at -13dBm.

1. I have done a source power cal and an enhanced response cal for measuring the S21 and the S11 measurements. I get a gain of approx 68dB. The input return loss is at -4dB(very poor).
2.For doing the output power measurements on the DUT , I do a source power cal on the network analyzer at the frequencies I need to measure the output power.
3. I find that there is a difference of more than a dB between the power indicated on the power meter and the o/p power computed from S21-input power.
4. I am using a total attenuation of 40dB in the path. The power meter sees a good match at the output of the device.

Is the difference in the power calculated and measured because of the poor return loss. The DUT is also in compression.

Could you please clarify.

Rgds
nsm  

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李子蕙

2019-7-23 11:51:04
嗨Daras,我们正在进行测量,占空比为5%。
我们在脉冲条件下测量S21并增强响应校准。
对于峰值功率测量,我们使用N1911A功率计和N1921A峰值功率传感器。
对于峰值功率测量,我们在执行源功率校准后将CW设置为CW模式。
我发现,与从网络分析仪增益测量计算的功率相比,功率计显示的值更低。
Rgds Nsm

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  Hi Daras,

we are doing the measurement with a duty cycle of  5%. We measure the S21 under the pulse condition with an enhanced response cal.

for the peak power measurement we are using the N1911A power meter with the N1921A peak power sensor. For the peak power measurement, we set the NA in the CW mode after performing a source power cal. I find that the power meter shows a lower value as compared to the power computed from the network analyzer gain measurement.

Rgds
Nsm
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刘华湘

2019-7-23 12:06:32
引用: zouqinxiang 发表于 2019-7-23 11:51
嗨Daras,我们正在进行测量,占空比为5%。
我们在脉冲条件下测量S21并增强响应校准。
对于峰值功率测量,我们使用N1911A功率计和N1921A峰值功率传感器。

什么型号的网络分析仪正在使用(如果它是PNA,请求表示固件转速)?
您是使用网络分析仪参考接收器测量输入功率还是假设使用源功率校准,输入功率将是精确且平坦的?
您说输入回波损耗很差,因此通常意味着输送到DUT的功率可能与源功率校准期间使用功率传感器测量的功率不完全相同。

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  What model network analyzer are using (if it is a PNA, pleas also indicate the firmware rev)?  Are you measuring the input power with the network analyzer reference receiver or are you assuming that with the source power cal, the input power is going to be exact and flat?  You said that the input return loss is very poor, so that usually means that the power delivered to the DUT may not be exactly the power that you measured with a power sensor during the source power cal.
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刘华湘

2019-7-23 12:34:24
> {quote:title = nsm写道:} {quote}>您是否建议使用推荐接收器测量测量时的源功率?
是 - 大多数功率传感器具有非常好的匹配性,因此当您使用具有非常好的回波损耗的传感器测量端口功率时,来自源的大部分功率将被传递到传感器。
另一方面,您的DUT具有较差的回波损耗,反映了更多的功率回到源。
经过校正的S21测量可以解决这种不匹配问题,但如果您想使用S21来计算输出功率,则不能假设平坦的输入事件功率。
为了使用PNA测量输入功率,您还需要至少执行R1接收器功率校准。
但是,为了获得最准确的测量结果,您需要进行匹配校正的功率测量。
如果您碰巧选择083或082,则可以设置标量混频器测量(SMC),偏移为0 Hz,并使用OPwr测量,这将是DUT的匹配校正输出功率。

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  > {quote:title=nsm wrote:}{quote}
> Would you recommend that , I measure the source power at the time of measurement using the refernce receiver?

Yes - Most power sensors have very good match and therefore when you measure the port power with a sensor with a very good return loss, most of the power from the source will be delivered to the sensor.  On the other hand your DUT that has a poor return loss, reflects more of the power back into the source.  A corrected S21 measurement accounts for this mismatch, but if you want to use the S21 to compute the output power, you can't assume a flat input incident power.

In order to measure the input power with your PNA, you will also need to do at least an R1 Receiver Power cal.  However, for the most accurate measurement you will need a match-corrected power measurement.  If you happen to have option 083 or 082, you can setup an Scalar Mixer measurement (SMC) with a 0 Hz offset and Simply use the OPwr measurement, which will be the match-corrected output power of your DUT.
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李子蕙

2019-7-23 12:52:04
引用: Topcbpcba 发表于 2019-7-23 12:34
> {quote:title = nsm写道:} {quote}>您是否建议使用推荐接收器测量测量时的源功率?
是 - 大多数功率传感器具有非常好的匹配性,因此当您使用具有非常好的回波损耗的传感器测量端口功率时,来自源的大部分功率将被传递到传感器。
另一方面,您的DUT具有较差的回波损耗,反映了更多的功率回到源。

嗨Daras,我有的网络anlayzer没有选项082或083.我想澄清另外一点。
我做了一个源功率校准,然后是一个增强的再现校准,用于进行S21测量。
我认为在源功率校准期间指定的容差范围内,源功率将是平坦的。
对于上述S21测量,我添加输入功率以计算估计的o / p功率。
然后,我通过将网络分析仪设置为具有源功率校准的CW扫描模式并将其用作源来测量峰值功率计上设备的输出功率。
通过这种设置,功率计读数的差异程度和测得的S21峰值功率的计算值是多少?
我怎么估计这个?
Rgds nsm

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  Hi Daras,

The network anlayzer that I have does not have option 082 or 083. 


I would like to clarify one additional point. I have done a source power cal and then an enhanced resposne cal for doing the S21 measurement. I would presume the source power would be flat to the extent of the tolerence specified during the source power cal.

To the above S21 measurement, I add the input power to compute the estimated o/p power. 

Then i measure the output power of the device on a peak power meter by setting the network analyzer to CW sweep mode with a source power cal and using it as the source.

With this set up what could be the extent of the difference in the power meter readings and the value computed of the peak power from the measured S21? How can I estimate this?

Rgds
nsm
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