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怎么在SMC模式下使用PNA-X作为马刺的多输出RF源

希望那里的人可以帮助我。
我正在尝试使用4端口2源N5242A PNA-X,HP83640L和E4440A PSA来取代使用E8362B PNA(单源双端口)三个外部合成器(hp836xx),E4440A的ATE站的功能
PSA(具有噪声系数特性)和HPIB总线开关,用于测量两级下变频器上的S参数,P1dB,PSAT,噪声系数和混频器杂散,当前PNA SMC校准配置201点扫频RF输入(端口1),扫描
LO1,固定LO2(不受控制)和固定IF输出(端口2)。
当前的ATE有一个HP83640,通过总线开关从属于PNA,硬件触发产生扫频LO1,计算机控制83640(不受PNA控制)产生固定的LO2来测量S参数。
P1dB,PSAT,噪声系数和混频器杂散在直接计算机控制下使用相同的83640进行测量,并且第三计算机控制83640作为RF输入激励并且IF输出切换到E4440A PSA。
我目前在SMC操作中设置PNA-X,内部源1提供端口1的RF激励,第二个内部源提供端口3的固定LO2,并使用83640作为从属LO1源。
PNA-X使用SMC cal测量SParameters,Converter GCA app和Converter NF app分别测量P1dB和NF。
使用具有RF输入功率的SMC模式完成PSAT,使得其完全压缩DUT,然后通过报告扫描DUT输出功率来测量PSAT。
由于我只有一个外部合成器从属于PNA-X,我想使用PNA-X / 83640L“系统”向DUT提供三个CW功率校准信号,以进行CW杂散测量。
我正在考虑召回SMC cal,然后将扫频操作重置为固定频率,以便信号为CW杂散搜索测量的正确频率和功率。
三输出合成源的排序。
然后,我可以将频率设置为下一组值,并使用PSA获取新的读数。
什么是我需要发送到PNA-X的SCPI命令,以及以什么顺序将扫描的SMC cal转换为固定的CW操作而不会使电源失效。
我可以在PNA-X上手动完成,但是我尝试使用VEE从混频器重新定义混频器频率似乎不起作用,混音器设置恢复到单个阶段并且RF频率恢复到默认值。
提前感谢您花时间阅读本文并大声提供答案。
Steve Estrin原理测试工程师Cobham San Jose

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  Hope somebody out there can help me.  

I am attempting to use a 4 port 2 source N5242A PNA-X, an HP83640L and a E4440A PSA to replace the functionality of an ATE station that uses an E8362B PNA (single source two port,) three external sythesizers (hp836xx), an E4440A PSA (with Noise figure personality) and an HPIB bus switch to measure S Parameters, P1dB, PSAT, noise figure and mixer spurs on a two stage down converter, The current PNA SMC cal is configured 201 point swept RF in (port1), Swept LO1, fixed LO2 (not controlled) and a fixed IF out (port2).  

The current ATE has a HP83640 slaved to the PNA thru the bus switch with hardware triggering to generate the swept LO1, and a computer controlled 83640 (not controlled by the PNA) to generate the fixed LO2 to measure the S Parameters.  

P1dB, PSAT, Noise figure and mixer spurs are measured using the same 83640s under direct computer control as well as a third computer controlled 83640 as the RF input stimulus and the IF out switched to the E4440A PSA.  

I currently have the PNA-X set up in SMC operation with the internal source 1 providing the RF stimulus out of port 1, the second internal source providing the fixed LO2 out of port 3 and uses an 83640 as the slaved LO1 source. The PNA-X using an SMC cal to measure the SParameters, the Converter GCA app and Converter NF app to measure P1dB and NF respectively. PSAT is accomplished using the SMC mode with the RF input power such that it fully compresses the DUT and then PSAT is measured by way of reporting the swept DUT output power. Since I only have the one external synthesizer slaved to the PNA-X, I want to use the PNA-X/83640L "system" to provide the three CW power calibrated signals to the DUT for doing the CW spur measurements. I am thinking along the lines of having the SMC cal recalled and then resetting the swept frequency operation to fixed frequency on so that the signals will be the correct frequencies and powers for the CW spur search measurement. Sort of a three output synthesized source. I could then set the frequencies to the next set of values and take a new reading with the PSA. What are the SCPI commands that I need to send to the PNA-X, and in what order, to convert the swept SMC cal to a fixed CW operation without invalidating the power cals.
I can do it manually on the PNA-X but my attempts to redefine the mixer frequencies to CW from swept using VEE don't seem to work, the mixer setup reverts to a single stage and the RF freqs go back to the default values.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to read this and hopfully provide an answer.

Steve Estrin
Principle Test Engineer
Cobham San Jose  

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刘华湘

2019-1-10 16:02:05
你能告诉我们PNA-X上运行的固件版本是什么吗?
我问的原因是我们可以为您提供正确的SCPI命令序列,以将扫描的RF SMC通道更改为固定的CW测量。
在过去几年中,SMC测量功能发生了一些变化,如果您运行的是较旧的固件,则某些最新命令不起作用。

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  can you tell us what firmware revision is running on your PNA-X?  the reason I ask is so that we can provide you with the right sequence of SCPI commands to change a swept RF SMC channel to a fixed CW measurement.  there has been some changes in the SMC measurement capabilities in the last few years and some of the latest commands don't work if you are running older firmware.
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丁兵溢

2019-1-10 16:20:11
引用: Topcbpcba 发表于 2019-1-10 20:04
你能告诉我们PNA-X上运行的固件版本是什么吗?
我问的原因是我们可以为您提供正确的SCPI命令序列,以将扫描的RF SMC通道更改为固定的CW测量。
在过去几年中,SMC测量功能发生了一些变化,如果您运行的是较旧的固件,则某些最新命令不起作用。

感谢快速响应daras。
PNA-X目前正在运行:固件:A.09.80.20 HDD:S.09.72.05 CPU 4.0 1600Mhz DSP 4.0 FPGA 34.0 Build 72.0另外一件事我忘了提到我需要能够选择性地关闭
端口1射频功率不影响端口3 LO2或外部LO1功率。编辑:SteveE。
在2014年1月14日上午9:06

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  Thanks for the quick response daras.
The PNA-X is currently running:
Firmware: A.09.80.20
HDD: S.09.72.05
CPU 4.0 1600Mhz
DSP 4.0 FPGA 34.0
Build 72.0

One other thing I forgot to mention is that I need to be able to selectively turn off the port 1 RF power without affecting the Port 3 LO2 or the external LO1 power.

Edited by: SteveE. on Jan 14, 2014 9:06 AM
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刘华湘

2019-1-10 16:35:42
好吧,让我们假设您将从一个采用线性频率扫描类型的SMC通道开始,您可以使用混频器设置来扫描输入,具有2个固定LO和扫描输出(图1)*图1 - 初始混频器*!
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87949221/Forum/ThreadID_37169/InitialMixer.jpg!
目前固件中存在一个错误,您无法将扫描类型远程更改为CW或P​​ower Sweep。
我猜这是你遇到的问题。
但你可以解决这个问题,在线性频率扫描中保留通道扫描类型,只需将输入范围的开始/停止值设置为相同的频率,然后计算输出,这也将导致输出start = output
停止。
图2显示了完成此解决方案的SCPI示例。
*图2 - SCPI命令*!https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87949221/Forum/ThreadID_37169/SCPISequence.jpg!
当您发出这些命令时,您将最终使用此混音器设置:*图3-最终混音器*!https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87949221/Forum/ThreadID_37169/FinalMixer.jpg!
现在要选择性地打开或关闭不同的信号源,您可以使用电源和衰减器对话框中的状态下拉菜单(图4),或者您可以使用“SOUR:POWer:MODE”命令打开或关闭特定信号源。
*图4 - 源状态*!https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87949221/Forum/ThreadID_37169/PowerState.jpg!

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  Ok, so let's assume you will start off with an SMC channel that is in Linear Frequency sweep type and you have mixer setup where the input is swept, with 2 fixed LOs and swept output (figure 1)

*Figure 1 - Initial Mixer*
!https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87949221/Forum/ThreadID_37169/InitialMixer.jpg!

there is currently a bug in the firmware, where you cannot remotely change the sweep type to CW or Power Sweep.  I am guessing this is the problem you are running into.  But you can work-around this problem buy leaving the channel sweep type in Linear Frequency sweep and just set the input range's start/stop values to be the same frequency and then the calculate the output, which will also result in the output start= output stop.  Figure 2 shows the SCPI example to accomplish this work-around.

*Figure 2 - SCPI Commands*
!https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87949221/Forum/ThreadID_37169/SCPISequence.jpg!

When you issue these commands, you will end up with this mixer setup:

*Figure 3- Final Mixer*
!https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87949221/Forum/ThreadID_37169/FinalMixer.jpg!

now to selectively turn different sources on or off, you can use the state drop-down in the power and attenuators dialog (Figure 4) or you can use the "SOUR:POWer:MODE " command to turn a specific source on or off.

*Figure 4 - Source State*
!https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/87949221/Forum/ThreadID_37169/PowerState.jpg!
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丁兵溢

2019-1-10 16:52:45
daras,感谢您提供的信息。
我昨天尝试了它并且它可以工作......但是在我的应用程序中实际使用它太慢了。
改变频率需要将近25秒。
我需要测试60个频率,每点25-30秒,测试时间太长。
由于频率是按群组聚集的,我决定采用一种方案,我为每个“群集”设置了单独的扫描SMC cals,然后让SMC cals处于点触发模式。
我发送一个手动触发器来遍历给定设置中的点,然后加载下一个设置并继续。
加载每个设置仍需要时间,但只需几秒钟即可在群集中的每个后续点进行杂散测量。
再次感谢您的努力,我相信我将来会在其他应用程序中使用它。
史蒂夫

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  daras,

Thanks for the information. I tried it out yesterday and it works...but it is too slow to be of practical use in my application. It take almost 25 seconds to change the frequency. I have 60 some frequencies that I need to test at, and at 25-30 seconds per point, the test would take way too long. Since the frequencies are clustered in groups  I decided on a scheme were I have individual swept SMC cals set up for each "cluster" and then have the SMC cals in point trigger mode. I send a manual trigger to walk through the points in a given setup and then load the next setup and continue on.
It still takes time to load each setup but then only a few seconds to make the spur measurements at each ensuing point in the cluster.

Thanks again for the effort, I'm sure I will use it in the future for some other application.

Steve
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