基于网格k340或k520构建本地游戏服务器什么许可模式最好？

嗨，
取决于OS平台。
vApps许可证仅适用于终端服务（服务器操作系统），vPC适用于VDI。
所以我假设你会选择vPC。
但你提到K340或K520，这些卡不是特斯拉卡（不确定它们是否可用），不需要许可。
对于当前的游戏性能，至少要看一下GRID M60卡是有意义的。
问候
西蒙



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Hi,

depends on the OS platform. vApps license is for Terminal Services (Server OS) only and vPC is for VDI. Therefore I assume you would go with vPC. But you mentioned K340 or K520, these cards aren't Tesla based cards (not sure if they are available any more at all) and shouldn't need licensing. For current gaming performance it would make sense to have at least a look on GRID M60 card.

Regards
Simon

你好
正如Simon上面所说，开普勒GRID卡不需要许可证，所以如果你使用你提到的那些，就没有额外的费用。
但是，他们使用的是2代旧架构，因此根据您的性能，功能和会话数量要求，您可能会更好地查看基于Maxwell的更现代的卡，或者更优选（并且取决于以下内容）Pascal。
您打算使用哪种Hypervisor？
您打算主持哪种类型的游戏？
任何FPS要求？
你打算如何进入游戏？
您计划为每台物理服务器托管多少个会话？
这是一个生产或概念证明型平台吗？
我对这些问题的答案感兴趣，因为可能有更合适的替代方案......
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Hi

As Simon says above, the Kepler GRID Cards don't require licenses, so if you use the ones you've mentioned, there's no additional cost. However, they are using an architecture that's 2 generations old, so depending on your performance, feature and session count requirements, you may be better looking at a more modern Card based on Maxwell or more preferably (and depending on the below) Pascal.

Which Hypervisor are you planning to use?
Which type of games are you planning to host?
Any FPS requirements?
How are you planning to access the games?
How many sessions are you planning to host per physical server?
Is this a production or proof of concept type platform?

I'd be interested in the answers to those questions, as there may be more suitable alternatives...

Regards

Ben

嗨，
thnx为你的答案。
- 目前我正计划拥有WMWare Horizo​​n hypervisor;
- 我想运行最新的游戏，如GTA V，Mafia III等;
- 我们目前正在开发SDK示例。
我们的想法是依靠它为自己构建的客户端用于游戏流;
- 根据M60技术规格，拥有32个CCU是可行的。
我想了解哪3种许可模式符合我的要求，以防每个连接用户都有一个专用VDI，用户端的标准PC将用于抓取流视频和控制专用VDI。



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Hi,

thnx for your answer.
- At the moment I'm planning to have WMWare Horizon hypervisor;
- I would like to run newest games like GTA V, Mafia III etc.;  
- we are currently working on SDK samples. The idea is to rely on it for own built client to be used for game streaming;
- as per M60 tech specs it is feasible to have 32 CCU. I would like to understand which of 3 licensing models will fit my requirements in case there will be one dedicated VDI for every connected user and a standard PC on user end will be used to grab streaming video and control a dedicated VDI.

你好
好的，因此vSphere是您的Hypervisor，Horizo​​n / Blast是您的交付机制。
根据您希望提供的体验类型，您可能希望修改您的CCU期望。
您需要使用具有最高系统要求的游戏作为最低要求，并且使用您提到的2，即黑手党。
黑手党的最低要求是快速多核CPU（3.3Ghz），2GB GPU和6GB RAM。
GPU将是您的CCU限制，因为您受到vGPU配置文件限制的约束。
所以使用2x M60s，你会看到最多16个CCU。
由于内存在启动时硬分配给VM（您无法使用VMware内存共享技术），因此您还需要仅为VM提供96GB的服务器RAM，因此整个服务器实际上需要128GB。
对于CPU，使用英特尔E5-2667 v4为您提供8个核心@ 3.2Ghz（16个带HT）。
因此，如果两个插槽都填充，则有16个真实核心和32个HT。
如果您坚持使用最低建议，那么您将为每个VM分配4个vCPU。
有16个VM和您的CPU规格，这是2倍CPU超额提交，加上Hypervisor要求。
如果您的其他游戏具有更高的最低要求，则必须调整服务器/ VM规格和CCU以对其进行说明。
如果您的任何游戏需要超过60FPS，那么您将不得不查看其他选项，因为vGPU配置文件的最大限制为60FPS。
您可以使用命令绕过此命令，但随后可能会影响所有其他VM，因为单个vGPU配置文件可能会消耗比其他VM更多的资源。
但是，对于一个完全填充的服务器，我怀疑你会在每个会话上达到60FPS，但它仍然需要注意。
关于许可，使用2GB vGPU（请记住，2GB是最高要求），您可能只有1个选项。
我不得不对此进行更多调查，因为我不是100％，但唯一的选择是vWS许可证（M60-2Q）。
您无法使用vPC许可证的原因是因为1GB是当前允许的最高vGPU配置文件。
至于vApp许可证，虽然它允许1-8GB vGPU配置文件，但您提供的是完整的桌面，而不是应用程序。
许可证为我提出了一个有趣的技术问题，我已经请求Nvidia的Rachel澄清了。
当我得到答案时，我会更新这个，因为它可能提供额外的许可选项。
您可能希望调查此设计的潜在替代方案......
为清楚起见，我使用了以下链接中的规范和参考：
黑手党：http：//support.2k.com/hc/en-us/articles/226127108-Mafia-III-PC-System-Requirements
GTA V：http：//www.rockstargames.com/V/info/pc/specs
英特尔：http：//ark.intel.com/products/92979/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2667-v4-25M-Cache-3_20-GHz
NVIDIA许可：http：//images.nvidia.com/content/pdf/grid/guides/GRID-Packaging-and-Licensing-Guide.pdf
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Hi

Ok, so vSphere is your Hypervisor, and Horizon / Blast is your delivery mechanism.

Depending on the kind of experience you want to deliver, you may want to revise your CCU expectations. You need to use the game with the highest system requirements as your minimum, and with the 2 you have mentioned, that's Mafia.

Mafia's minimum requirements are a fast multi-core CPU (3.3Ghz), 2GB GPU and 6GB RAM. The GPU will be your CCU limit, as you are bound by the limit of the vGPU profiles. So with 2x M60s, you're looking at a Max of 16 CCU. Because the memory is hard allocated to the VM on boot (you cannot use VMwares memory sharing technology) you'll also need 96GB of server RAM just for the VMs, so realistically 128GB for the entire server. As for CPU, using Intels E5-2667 v4 gives you 8 Cores @ 3.2Ghz (16 with HT). So with both sockets populated you have 16 real cores and 32 HT. If you stick with the minimum recommendations, you're going to be allocating 4 vCPUs per VM. With 16 VMs and your CPU specifications, that's a 2x CPU over-commit, plus the Hypervisor requirements.

If your other games have a higher minimum requirement, you'll have to adjust your server / VM specs and CCU to account for it.

If any of your games require more than 60FPS, then you will have to look at other options, as the vGPU profiles have a 60FPS max limit. You can bypass this with a command, but you then risk impacting all other VMs as a single vGPU profile can consume more resource than the others. However, with a fully populated server, I doubt you'll hit 60FPS on every session, but it's something to be aware of nonetheless.

Regarding licensing, using a 2GB vGPU (remember, 2GB being the highest minimum requirement), you potentially have only 1 option. I had to investigate this a little more as I wasn't 100%, but the only option is the vWS license (M60-2Q).

The reason you can't use the vPC license, is because 1GB is the highest vGPU profile currently allowed. As for the vApp license, although it will allow 1-8GB vGPU profiles, you are delivering a full desktop, not an App.

The licensing has raised an interesting technical query for me, and I've asked Rachel from Nvidia for clarification. I'll update this when I have an answer as it may provide additional licensing options.

There are potential alternatives to this design you may wish to investigate ...

For clarity, I've used specifications and references from these links:

Mafia: http://support.2k.com/hc/en-us/articles/226127108-Mafia-III-PC-System-Requirements
GTA V: http://www.rockstargames.com/V/info/pc/specs

Intel: http://ark.intel.com/products/92979/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2667-v4-25M-Cache-3_20-GHz
NVIDIA Licensing: http://images.nvidia.com/content/pdf/grid/guides/GRID-Packaging-and-Licensing-Guide.pdf

Regards

Ben

你好
我已经让Nvidia回答了我的许可查询。
虽然上面引用的文档（目前）没有提到以下交付方法，但Nvidia已回复我并确认它是vApp许可的可接受用例。
我已要求更新文档以反映这一点，因此很清楚。
我对VMware应用程序交付方法的了解不如我的Citrix，所以我不确定这是否适用于上述用例，但是，如果这是运行XenDesktop的Citrix平台，您将能够“发布”
来自桌面操作系统外部的游戏并使用vApp许可方法。
（Citrix称之为VM Hosted Apps https://docs.citrix.com/de-de/xenapp-and-xendesktop/xenapp-6/ps-vmha-wrapper.html）。
它与使用XenApp的交付方法相同，您只需发布资源而不允许访问桌面，唯一的区别是底层操作系统是桌面操作系统，而不是服务器。
因此，在文档更新之前，我需要一目了然，因为这很重要：如果最终用户只获得了远程应用程序的权利，并且部署不使用Quadro驱动程序，那么vApp应该没问题。
如果授权是桌面操作系统，或者部署使用Quadro，则需要vPC或vWS。
我显然专注于vApp许可，因为如上所述，这使您可以访问除1个帧缓冲配置文件（1-8GB）之外的所有配置文件。
这很重要，因为vApp和vWS许可之间的价格差异非常大。
您实际上是从最昂贵的Nvidia许可方法转向最便宜的方法。
VMware有一项名为AppBlast的技术，它使用HTML5浏览器提供了类似的交付方法，可能已经适用，但我无法找到最新的信息。
Horizo​​n 7似乎只列出了您未使用的RDSH上托管的应用程序。
但是，正如我上面提到的，有一些潜在的架构替代方案，你可以看看它是否有效......
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Hi

I've had my licensing query answered by Nvidia.

Although the above referenced documentation (currently) makes no mention of the following delivery method, Nvidia have come back to me and confirmed it is an acceptable use case for the vApp licensing. I have asked for the documentation to be updated to reflect this so it is clear.

My knowledge of VMware application delivery methods is not quite as good as my Citrix, so I'm unsure if this applies to the above use case, however, if this were a Citrix platform running XenDesktop, you would have the ability to "Publish" the Games from outside of the desktop OS and use the vApp licensing method. (Citrix call it VM Hosted Apps https://docs.citrix.com/de-de/xenapp-and-xendesktop/xenapp-6/ps-vmha-wrapper.html). It is the same method of delivery as using XenApp, where you Publish just the resources and not give access to the desktop, the only difference being that the underlying OS is a desktop, not server.

So, I need to be crystal clear until the documentation is updated, as this is important: If the end user is only getting entitlement to a remoted app and the deployment does not use a Quadro driver, then vApps should be fine. If the entitlement is a desktop OS, or if the deployment is using Quadro, then vPC or vWS would be required.

I'm obviously focusing on the vApps licenseing, becasue as mentioned above, this gives you access to all but 1 of the frame buffer profiles (1-8GB).

This is significant, because the price difference between vApps and vWS licensing is quite large. You are effectively going from the most expensive Nvidia license method, to the cheapest.

VMware had a technology called AppBlast that offerd a similar delivery method using a HTML5 browser and may have been applicable, but I'm not able to find that much recent information on it. Horizon 7 only seems to list applications hosted on RDSH, which you are not using. However, as I mentioned above, there are potential architecture alternatives you could look at to make it work ...

Regards

Ben

嗨BJones，
非常感谢您为澄清而付出的努力，并且可以应用最简单的许可方法。
在您的技术计算中，您提到16 CCU缺少CPU但是我认为2x Intel E5-2697A总计64 HT将对此进行排序。
我有一台HP DL380 G9服务器，我打算用它来启动。
许可证服务器如何确定我是否正确使用许可证（托管应用程序或整个桌面）？
您的意思是什么其他潜在的替代品？



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Hi BJones,

thanks a lot for your effort in clarifying and it is great that simplest license method can be applied.
In your tech calculation you mentioned lack of CPU for 16 CCU however I thinks 2x Intel E5-2697A with total 64 HT will sort this out. I have one HP DL380 G9 server which I'm planning to use for startup.

How license server will determine whether I utilize license properly(hosting an app or entire desktop)?
What other potential alternatives to this design you meant?

你好
没问题。
由于这纯粹是为了游戏，我强烈建议您重新评估您选择的CPU。
虽然使用一对E5-2697A会提供大量的内核/线程，但2.6Ghz不是一个快速的CPU，虽然它会在一定程度上运行游戏，但我个人认为它不会足够快到达那种
你所经历的经验。
请记住，大多数游戏都支持更高的核心时钟速度，因为它们不是多线程的，因此不会使用多个核心，如果速度不够快，则无法提高时钟速度。
黑手党推荐的最低时钟速度为3.3Ghz，比2.6Ghz快得多。
时钟速度为王，不是核心数。
关于许可以及您如何选择它，这是在vCenter中完成的。
您可以在创建VM时选择要使用的GPU配置文件。
然后，VM在启动时联系许可证服务器并“签出”许可证。
如果您无法使用VMware在上述桌面之外交付应用程序，则可能需要尝试使用服务器操作系统替换桌面操作系统，并以相同方式对待它。
这将允许您使用相同的NVIDIA vApp许可，并将游戏作为已发布的应用程序提供。
实际操作系统并不重要，重要的是游戏。
仅提供应用程序，而不是完整的桌面使生活变得更加轻松。
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Hi

No problem at all.

As this is purely for gaming, I highly recommend you re-evaluate which CPU you select. Although using a pair of E5-2697A will provide lots of Cores / threads, 2.6Ghz is not a fast CPU, and although it will run the games to some degree, I personally don't think it will be fast enough to give the kind of experience you are after. Remember, most games favor higher Clock speed over Cores as they are not multi-threaded so won't use multiple Cores, and you cannot increase that Clock speed if it isn't fast enough. The minimum recommended Clock speed for Mafia, is 3.3Ghz, that is much faster than 2.6Ghz. Clock speed is king, not Core count.

Regarding the licensing and how you choose it, this is done within vCenter. You select the GPU profile you wish to use when creating your VMs. The VMs then contact the license server when they start up and "check out" a license.

If you are unable to deliver the App outside of the desktop as mentioned above using VMware, you may want to try replacing the desktop OS with a server OS, and treat it in the same way. This will allow you to use the same NVIDIA vApp licensing and deliver the games as published apps. The actual OS isn't important, it's the games that are important. Delivering just the apps, rather than a full desktop makes life a lot easier.

Regards

Ben