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有关N5230C 4端口PNA校准的问题

亲爱的,我想问一下有关N5230C 4端口PNA的4端口校准的问题。
其规格如下:N5230C,300kHz至20GHz选项:245 20.0GHz 4端口有源应用代码版本:A.09.31.02我们处理差分LNA的S参数测量(“差分输入/差分输出”)。
频率范围为2GHz至2.5GHz。
我们还使用3.5mm 85052D校准套件。
我的问题是:(1)我想测量差分输入回波损耗,差分增益,单端输入回波损耗和单端增益。
在“响应>测量平衡>端口”中,是否需要将输入端口+和输入端口设置为端口1和3,或端口1和2?
端口号是前面板上标记的数字。
我只是想知道端口2和3之间哪个端口相对于端口1产生180度异相信号。(2)我尝试了校准向导> SmartCal(引导校准)。
在这些步骤中,我遇到了“直通选择”。
例如,“port1-port2-Adapter Removal(或Unknown Thru)”。
我需要选择三套。
如何正确选择它们?
我将衷心感谢您的帮助!
-Jay编辑:Jay815于2012年8月20日5:34 AM编辑:Jay815于2012年8月20日上午5:35

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  Dear all,

I would like to ask questions about the 4-port calibration of N5230C 4-port PNA. Its specifications are as follows:
N5230C, 300kHz to 20GHz
Options: 245 20.0GHz 4-port active
Application code version: A.09.31.02

We work on S-parameter measurements of our differential LNA (“differential input / differential output”). The frequency range is 2GHz to 2.5GHz. We also use a 3.5mm 85052D calibration kit. My questions are:

(1) I want to measure differential input return loss, differential gain, single-ended input return loss, and single-ended gain. In “Response > Measure-balanced > Ports”, do I need to set input port+ and input port– to be port 1 and 3, or port 1 and 2? The port numbers are the marked numbers on the front panel. I just wonder which between port 2 and 3 generates a 180-degree out-of-phase signal with respect to port 1.

(2) I tried Calibration Wizard > SmartCal (Guided Calibration). During the steps, I encountered the “Thru selection”. For example, "port1-port2-Adapter Removal (or Unknown Thru)". I need to select three sets of it. How do I select them properly?

I would really appreciate your help!

-Jay

Edited by: Jay815 on Aug 20, 2012 5:34 AM

Edited by: Jay815 on Aug 20, 2012 5:35 AM  

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卢兰凤

2019-5-17 09:19:14
您可以将任何端口组合用于输入和输出(13-24或12-34)。
只需确保在定义拓扑时将它们连接起来。
如果所有DUT端口都是女性,我建议使用Unknown Thru校准。
唯一需要注意的是,在开始标准4端口校准之前,您需要使用该分析仪执行全局Delta匹配校准。

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  You can use any port combination you like for the input and output (13-24 or 12-34).  Just make sure they are connected as the topology is defined.

I recommend using Unknown Thru calibration if all your DUT ports are female.  The only caveat is that you will need to perform a Global Delta Match calibration with that analyzer before starting the standard 4 port calibration.
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刘华湘

2019-5-17 09:24:36
引用: yweyerwq 发表于 2019-5-17 09:19
您可以将任何端口组合用于输入和输出(13-24或12-34)。
只需确保在定义拓扑时将它们连接起来。
如果所有DUT端口都是女性,我建议使用Unknown Thru校准。

只要您只对使用混合模式s参数计算差分/平衡参数感兴趣,“任何端口组合”方案都可以正常工作。
但是,如果您的设备实际上需要使用真差分信号进行激励,那么端口组合限制(差异端口1 = PNA端口1& 3和差异端口2 = PNA端口2和4)确实适用(假设
你有第二个选择,选项246,在N5230C)编辑:daras在2012年8月20日上午11:21

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  "Any port combination" scheme works fine as long as you are only interested in using mixed-mode s-parameters to compute the differential/balanced parameters.  however, if your device actually needs to be stimulated with a true differential signal, then a port combination restriction (diff. port 1 = PNA ports 1 & 3 and diff. port 2 = PNA ports 2 & 4) does apply (assuming you have the 2nd source option, option 246, in the N5230C)

Edited by: daras on Aug 20, 2012 11:21 AM
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李志强

2019-5-17 09:33:14
亲爱的odanzy和daras,我非常感谢你的帮助。
让我更详细说明一下我的设置:N5230C PNA包括“245:20.0GHz 4端口有效”选项。
我的DUT有4个SMA母连接器(差分输入和差分输出)。
由于我的差分LNA内部有AC接地,我认为它需要用真正的差分信号激励(即两个输入端口信号具有180度的异相)。
另外,我想进一步提出如下问题:(1)对于“直通选择”,以下是选择权吗?
(请假设我设置了差分输入(端口1和3)和差分输出(端口2和4)端口1 - 端口2 - 未知通过端口3 - 端口4 - 未知通过端口1 - 端口3 - 未知直通(2)在“响应>测量平衡>中
拓扑“:我可以选择输入端口(1,3)和输出端口(2,4)。但是,当我执行”向导> SmartCal(引导校准)>选择引导校准端口“时,选择”校准类型选择“为
“4端口校准”,“4端口校准配置”被禁用,如下所示(我无法更改“4端口校准配置”):选择第一端口:1选择第二端口:2选择第三端口:3选择第四端口
:4这是否意味着我需要选择输入(1,2)和输出(3,4)?我非常感谢你的帮助!-Jay

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  Dear odanzy and daras,

I really appreciate your help. Let me more specify my setup: The N5230C PNA includes the option of “245: 20.0GHz 4-port active”. My DUT has 4 SMA female connectors (differential inputs and differential outputs). Since my differential LNA has AC ground inside it, I think it needs to be stimulated with a true differential signal (i.e. two input port signals have 180-degree out-of-phase).

In addition, I would like to ask further questions as follows:
(1) For the “Thru selection”, is the following selection right? (Please assume I set differential input (port 1&3) and differential output (port 2&4)
port1 - port2 - Unknown Thru
port3 - port4 - Unknown Thru
port1 - port3 - Unknown Thru

(2) In “Response > Measure balanced > Topology”: I can select input ports (1,3) and output ports(2,4). However, when I did “Wizard > SmartCal (Guided Calibration) > select ports for guided calibration” and selected “cal type selection” as “4 port cal”, “4 Port Cal Configuration” is disabled and it shows as follows (I cannot change the “4 Port cal configuration”):
Select 1st Port: 1
Select 2nd Port: 2
Select 3rd Port: 3
Select 4th Port: 4
Does this mean that I need to select input (1,2) and output(3,4)? 

I am very grateful for your help!

-Jay
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刘华湘

2019-5-17 09:40:08
引用: aslkmdsa 发表于 2019-5-17 09:33
亲爱的odanzy和daras,我非常感谢你的帮助。
让我更详细说明一下我的设置:N5230C PNA包括“245:20.0GHz 4端口有效”选项。
我的DUT有4个SMA母连接器(差分输入和差分输出)。

嗨Jay,我们称之为“True Mode Stimulus Application”或iTMSA的测量类型。
此测量要求您的分析仪在PNA内部和模型上有两个实际源,即选项246.因此,除非您有选项246或4端口PNA-X,否则您无法执行iTMSA测量。
但是,就校准而言,任何4端口校准方法都可以用于iTMSA测量或混合模式s参数方法(一组用于计算差分参数的单端s参数测量)
使用超位置原理)。
至于你的具体问题:1-是任何满足4端口校准的“直通选择”是可以接受的。
2-如果您有一个4端口PNA并且您正在进行4端口校准,那么只有一个有效的端口组合可以校准,即端口1,2,3和4.换句话说,
没有什么可供你选择,所以选择是灰色的。
这样想:如果你有4端口PNA并且想要进行2端口校准,那么你有很多选择 - 校准端口1和2,或1和3,或1和4,或2
3,或2和4,或最后3和4,这是一个组合问题,4个项目一次采取2顺序不重要,给出6选择。
但是,一次只有4个项目只有4个选项,因此灰色选择:-)如果你没有选项246,使用混合模式计算差分参数的方法是完全有效的,如果你的设备
在线性条件下运行。
以下是一些可能有用的信息:本william hill官网 的另一个主题是艾森斯塔特和博克尔曼的论文

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  Hi Jay,
We call the type of measurement you are talking about "True Mode Stimulus Application" or iTMSA.  this measurement requires that your analyzer have two actual sources inside and on your model PNA that is option 246.  So, unless you have option 246 or a 4-port PNA-X, you cannot perform an iTMSA measurement.  However, as far as the calibration is concerned, any 4-port calibration method will work fine for either iTMSA measurements or the mixed mode s-parameter method (a set of single-ended s-parameter measurements that are used to compute the differential parameters using the super-position principle).  
As to your specific questions:
1- yes any of the "thru selections" that satisfies the 4-port cal is acceptable.
2- if you have a 4-port PNA and you are doing a 4-port calibration, then there is only one valid combination of ports that you can calibrate and that is ports 1,2,3, and 4.  in other words, there is nothing for you to select, so the choice is grayed out.  think of it this way: if you have 4-port PNA and you want to do a 2-port calibration, then you have a number of options - calibrate ports 1 and 2, or 1 and 3, or 1 and 4, or 2 and 3, or 2 and 4, or finally 3 and 4, It is a combinatorial problem, 4 items taken 2 at a time where order is not important, gives 6 choice.  However, there is only 1 option for 4 items taken 4 at a time, hence the grayed out selection :-)
if you don't have option 246, using the mixed mode method of computing the differential parameters is perfectly valid, if your device is operating under linear conditions.  Here is some info that might be helpful:
another thread in this forum Paper by Eisenstadt and Bockelman
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